logic also tells me that any 'of the year' awards should be sorted at the end of the year.

The Newfound Resorts Managers' Performance table was devised to allow managers from every level of League football to test themselves against one another.

Every competitive game counts towards a manager's individual score in the League. Points are awarded for victories and draws, with results away from home scoring higher.

Points for clean sheets and goals-scored accumulate throughout the season, whilst a team's winning margin also counts towards the total.

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/awards/tissot-league.html?seasonid=138&type=Season+Total&x=14&y=3



The Managers Performance table also has a bearing on the award. SAF topped it last year but the award went to Steve Coppell who actually topped the table the year before, when he won the award for the first time.

Jackpot_Jac should note that Phil Brown isn't even in the top 20 over the whole season, although he has crept into the top ten in the last quarter.

but that table is so one dimensional.

it has no perspective to it. its no suprise which clubs top that league is it.

its hardly fair to suggest that Phil Brown is less deserving because he has not won as many as other managers at much bigger clubs with much more money and much better players than their rivals. Man United, Chelsea Arsenal and Liverpool are much bigger and better than the rest of the league. agreed? they happen to make up the top 5 of that list. coincidence? of course not. it is not a true measurement of relative success whatsoever and thus does not fairly reflect the jobs that managers do at their clubs

It's based on results, so teams performing well at the tops of their respective divisions should all be in with a shout of topping the table. Paul Ince is currently top in the last current quarter, Phil Brown is 9th in the current quarter, Steve Coppell topped it for the season with Reading in 2005-2006.

Does Paul Ince have more resources at his disposal than Phil Brown? I doubt it.

Ohhhh, one of my greats thinks he deserves the award? Oh, well, i must be wrong... sorry all, Fergie clearly is GOD, one of my greats says so...

/sarcasm

Seriously though, Hansen loves United and in particular Rooney. I've not read the above because i'll probably find myself cringing at how much he fawns over them.

It's a pointless debate really. Fergie's achievement is not the biggest of the football league - fact. Disprove it if you can. Then there'll be room for a debate. Until then, goodbye.

yes but you seem to missing the point. perhaps deliberately.

results are not given in perspective. for example Man United beating derby is treated in the same manner as derby beating Man United when its obviously a much bigger achievement for derby to mastermind a win against Man United.

you cant solely judge a manager on a table of results. hence why Coppell won it last year despite probably not even featuring in the top 25 of that list.

im sure you are well aware of this and are only producing such a list because Ferguson is top of it but i still feel i need to point this out.

What is the biggest Managers achievement of the football league?

Who has served as a top flight Manager longer than SAF and won more honours in the league. The only Manager that I can find that comes anywhere close is Newcastle's Frank Watt who won 4 titles between 1905 and 1927.

for crying out loud.

LMA Manager of The Year.

read that line out three times and once more for luck.

i will repeat it.... LMA Manager of The Year. The Year. The Year.

Not The Decade. The Year.

This Year Ferguson won the league with a squad that had been heavily invested in after already winning the league the Year before.. (ie a completely separate season) he is also in a cup final.

is this the greatest managerial performance in the entire country? has he overcome the odds with limited finance, playing staff, resources? has he led a relegation battling team to top flight football? has he taken over a club in disarray heading nowhere and turned their fortunes around?

It is not "LMA Manager of the last 10 years" though, is it? It's "LMA Manager of the Year".

Bristol City, newly promoted from League One to achieve 4th in the Championship, only just missing out on automatic promotion, pwn Fergie’s ‘achievement’ in every single way possible.

Even in the Premier League you have Moyes' Everton. If you look at their points total over the latter half of this year, last season they would've been on course for a 3rd place finish! It's only because the top four sides have performed so well, each with 75+ points, that they've ended up some way adrift from the Champions League places.

But we have the most competitive Premier league in the world, where, according to expert opinion (Managers), any team in that league is capable of winning ANY game, and generally (Derby excluded) the margin of difference in standard between the sides is NOT as enormous as King Kev leads us to believe. The recent Wigan v Man Utd game highlighted that fact. It would, therefore, in my opinion, be unfair to grade performance between teams in the same division. If Paul Ince can top the table from League 2, then Phil Brown has no excuses for failing to top the table with a League 1 side.

Steely/Ben

Are you two deliberately missing the point here. Yes the award is for this year....in which SAF won his 10th EPL title as well as topping the performance tables.

you will find the Championship is a million times more competetive than the Premiership.

if anybody disagreed with that they need shooting.

dont be silly. if that was the case why does the premier league look the same every season?

i doubt you even believe your own argument in all honesty.

Ok, I agree that you have a point. There is a step up in standard between the top 4 and the rest, and maybe, whenever the top 4 are beaten it should be more fairly reflected in the table. But the table is also a comparison in performance between the various divisions. You are suggesting it's harder for a team to win their respective division than it is for a top 4 side to win the EPL. I don't think Liverpool fans will agree with that.

He won his 10th, yes - but it is only one trophy won this season. If it's for the sole year then why the hell should you consider past seasons? Let alone something as trivial as a '10th trophy' milestone. Is that better than 9 trophies, or as good as 11? Of course, because it's a nice even number! It means nothing.

That's rich coming from a Liverpool supporter......10 EPL titles mean nothing

Roonanialdo, Phil Brown has a much harder job then SAF. Agree?
SAF's squad is currently being talked about as the best Man United team they have ever had. Im sorry but it is a easy job. Ben and Steely have said everything about the fact that it is only this year that counts and not the other 9 times he has won it. Another point which has to be taken into account is the fact that Phil Brown did not have a player like Ronaldo. He had to find players, like campbell, and try to put a team together. You can not compare the jobs, they are so different.
I have to say that Paul Ince has probably done a better job, as he has won the league and a cup. However, i would still stand by my point that Phill Brown has done a better job then SAF when you take into consideration the difficulties he has that SAF hasn't.
And that league table you found is a load of crap!

Ok Jac......all your arguments are valid......but that league table is the LMA's very own for comparing their members performances.

If the managers or whoever wanted to award SAF for getting ten league titles they could have gave him a special award (instead of this one). I just think the way it is done is not fair on the small clubs. As i see it they dont take into consideration the difficulties they face.

maybe a gold plated chewing gum ...

I'm not talking about the 10 as 10 trophies, i'm talking about it as a supposed milestone that's seen as 'superior'.

Would you be saying "oh Fergie deserves the award 'cause it's his 11th title" if he wins his 11th? Like you are for his 10th? No you wouldn't be because '10' is a meaningless landmark figure, like 25, 50 or 100. 11 is not. You're reasoning is based on the fact that Ferguson has reached a milestone.

In the context of a seasons achievement, what basis does this have?