Gunners youngsters should be loan stars

Arsenal's wonderkids have been warned to leave the Emirates stadium in order to become England Internationals by Under-21 boss Stuart Pearce.

Despite their convincing win over Wigan in the Carling Cup, none of the Arsenal youngsters have been included in the U-21 squad to face the Czech Republic at Bramall Lane next Tuesday.

Pearce has said "It's vital that young players get experience playing football.

"I was thrown into first-team football when I was 16, albeit as a non-league player, and played week in, week out.

"That's where my experience came from - by learning from my mistakes and learning from senior pros.

"The good thing at the moment is that I have three players who represent Chelsea that are out on loan at Wolves, Southampton and Norwich.

"I think the loan system is vitally important.

"If players are connected to the bigger clubs in the Premier League and they are not playing, they can get out on loan and get their first-team experience."

Pearce also advised the likes of Kyle Naughton and Fabian Delph to stick with their clubs and concentrate on getting first-team experience.

Is Pearce right? Should Arsenals young players seek a loan move in order to get first team football or are they better off staying at the Emirates?

Loan them.

It's clear they can all play football, so now they've got to learn football. And Championship standard football is a far better environment for education than playing Reserve or Youth games.

I feel that Pearce is being stupid with this. Or he just doesn't know his facts. Randall, Simpson, Gibbs were all out on loan last year, so why not select them? He continued to pick Walcott on the squad when he was playing reserve, youth and Carling Cup matches. So what makes him change his mind all the sudden demanding Arsenal to loan out all their youngsters?

Jack Wilshere has been on the bench a few times in League and Champions League matches. Granted he's only come on against Blackburn; but the other matches that he was on the bench, they were close affairs. With the allowance of 7 players on the bench instead of the 5 previously will keep Wilshere on the bench in most games; and in turn, that will allow for more games that he'll come into if we are comfortably ahead. There's no real need to loan him out just yet. He is only 16 afterall and has been with Arsenal since the age of 9 if I remember correctly.

I disagree. Arsenal's youngsters have a set way of playing and loaning them out and playing alongside lesser players would teach them bad habits. They are better under Arsene's guidance and will all get plenty first team football in the next two years anyway.

so does every under 21 player have to be playing first team football ...how many Premier League clubs regularly play under 21`s in their first team .

I think Pierce has gone a bit Psycho .... dont they have scouts watching the reserve games ...

So if we send them out on-loan, then how will they learn to play the 'Arsenal' way???

And what need is there for them to be loaned out??? Wenger knows when to send a player out on-loan and when not to...

Good points i was surprised to read the above and the first thing that came to mind is that Pierce is trying to sabotage the cup run of the youngsters.

Good points already, Pearce is an idiot if he thinks Arsenal's youth will develop better anywhere else other than Arsenal Football Club.

Surely the fact that the youth has knocked out a Prem team easy enough to know their better off at Arsenal.

Idiot.

At Arsenal they learn one style of football, Wengers. It works very well when they play for Arsenal because they are all on the same page but if things dont work out for them there then I think they would struggle to even compete in the Championship if all their other teammates werent on the same page as they obviously wouldnt be. I think loaning these players out to give them experience in other football teams would be beneficial for their careers in the longterm.

Arsenal 6- 0 Sheffield Utd

What a mug.

Read again, im talking about the players on their own later on in their footballing careers. Not collectively in the Arsenal team. Valid point i thought.

And thanks for adding another layer to the irony of your first post

Not valid, in fact idiotic.


Your talking cod shite, Gibbs played well for Norwich, Djourou played well for Birmingham, Song did well in the African Nations for Cameroon. Ramsey was a star for Cardiff, Vela turned Real Madrid inside out. Individually these players could comfortably win the Championship.

If these weren't individually good players they wouldn't have been a good enough team to knock out a strong Wigan Athletic.


Sorry to embarrass you in front of the forum.

You dont think they would benefit from learning a different style of football, or getting more first team experience for a year? I think it would make them better footballers and better prepare them for life after Arsenal cos you cant tell me they are all going to make it at Arsenal.

And please watch your langauge ive already edited 3 of your posts today, there is a new push around the forum to clean it up and changing the spelling of swearwords to get around the swear filter isnt allowed either, cheers.

Pretend you're Jack Wilshere, or Jay Simpson, whoever.

You know you're not going to get into the Arsenal side for about 4 years, no chance. Realistically, the only first class, competitive football you'd get is a once a season run in the Carling Cup. Would you be satisfied with that?

I know Wenger is brilliant at handling kids ( ) but surely the opportunity to get first team football at other clubs would be far more beneficial than just playing Reserve or Youth games. It's a no brainer. Playing the Arsene Wenger is great, fantastic...but it's not the ONLY way. There's no harm learning other styles, even if it's just to see how you deal with it. Wenger isn't going to be around forever, you know!

Besides, we're only talking about LOANING here, not permanent deals.

Ban me then!

No I don't think it would benefit the youth players, I think it would benefit them more if they learned their career at Arsenal and were training with the first team as they do now. It's a fact that your very own Bentley learned a lot of his skills training with Dennis Bergkamp. Walcott learned a lot from Henry, Veira learned leadership from Adams etc... I believe the youth have far more to learn at Arsenal than they would out on loan.

Now if you were talking about teams that just buy players rather than develop them, then Tottenham would be a good place for Stuart to start.

Once again bringing up Tottenham whenever you get defensive about someones opinion of Arsenal.

Rubbish Joey.

How do you know Wilshere wont be in the team next season as Cesc was? he seems good enough. He got man of the match against a senior Wigan side. I know there's a bit of jealousy in there some where....... come on admit it!!

I can't elp it.

Pokey, seriously mate, when do you honestly think Wilshere will make the grade? Vela and Ramsey, yes - they'll break through quicker. But Wilshere? I'm not so sure.

Jealousy? Mate, I'll be jealous if you started winning trophies like you did a few years ago!!

This is why I'm enjoying Wenger FRAUDING you guys - you beat yourselves off with excitement over these kids, yet the trophy cabinet gathers dust! I'm laughing all the way mate!

More whining Spurs fans at it again?



papa5murf hit the nail on the head. Pearce doesn't know what he's talking about. He's recruited player who've not been playing regularly and he's ignored players who've been out on loan from their big Clubs. So there's no way way or the other. If anything these youngsters are far more valuable if they're playing regularly for Arsenal at any level.

Of course experience of a different style and League through a loan is useful. Most of our young players have been on loan as others have suggested. It's up to Wenger who he wants to loan and who he wants to keep. The troubling thing is that it's difficult to loan out specific players if Wenger doesn't believe they'll get games. He loaned Randall to Burnley and in many cases he was benched and underused which really hampered his progress and his confidence. Merida was loaned to Sociedad and he was ignored due to the Managerial-vs-Board saga going on and he lost out on a lot of game-time and I'm sure some confidence as he was ignored blatantly, finally he got some games in the end and did well. But Wenger isn't going to freely loan out all his young talents to any team, he has to make sure they're getting games.

Wilshere in particular is at the stage where he needs to keep his head level and go from teen wonderboy to maturing professional. It's important that players like him are nurtured at that age, otherwise you could loan them out and destroy their progress or maturity. Walcott had his spells in the lower Leagues with poorer Clubs and if anything he improved massively by coming to Arsenal and being nurtured, matured and technically improved by being educated by our Coaches and influenced by our technically high class players. Wilshere will learn more here than any loan Club. There is no reason why he can't do what Walcott did and if anything he's showing just as much talent & potential, if not more.

Look at Cesc Fabregas. He didn't need it. He developed the Arsenal way and took his chances when they came. As Poker says, there's no reason why Wilshere can't do that. Then mugs like Pearce won't be whining about him not playing regular football if he's playing more of a part in the Arsenal first team.