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    Only 2 black league managers in England

    I am a 6th form student and I am currently doing a project called Why are there so few black managers in English league football? As currently 25% of league players are black or minority ethnic (BME) but only 2 out of the 92 league managers are BME. (Chris Powell and Chris Hughton). I am interested in what fellow football fans think about this issue. Why do you think there are so few black managers? Whether you think there is actually an issue? Whether you think there should be a solution and any opinions expressed in this thread may be used anonymously in my project. Thank You

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    Personally i don;t really have a clue. If you look at the FACT of how long it took Hughton to get hired after newcastle fired him ,even when almost every person in football publicly said it was one of the most shocking firings in football, it makes you wonder.
    The thing is there is a problem ,but i'm not sure how bad it is really . Are former players having invisible barriers put up in the quest to acquire the certifications? How many black people are actually applying? It looks bad in todays game ,because the league has so many black players ,but that has only accelerated over the last 4 or 5 years. So there could be a bit of misleading psychological factor taken into people negative thinking of the situation. One thing you don;t do is hire black managers because there are a lot of black players ,you hire them if they are fit for the job. I think Hughton was fit for a lot of jobs that were being offered when he was unemployed and one can only guess the reasoning for them team to bypass that man. I thought Ince was in the same position even though his short stint at Blackburn wasn't great.
    Is there a race problem ? i would say maybe ,but more importantly there is a respect problem and if players don't respect you then any slip ups you have will be magnified in their eyes.

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    Pretty tough job my friend. For me black coaches are working mostly in there countries (in Africa ) and probably they are not so qualify for Š•ngland . I guess if some one wants to be seen from the black managers , he should have a lot of awards and after that to have some claims. I think that African football is not so good as European and they have to work a lot more to be manager in Europe . Or maybe we think so , but they are good.

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    perhaps you are right,but another reason is that its circustums are fit for who has tradition in the football field and the black has little ways of jioning ,or the boss of the club don't know how they can really lead the team ,so ... but i think it will change step by step,more black managers will there in the field !

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    there may be 25% non whites playing at present but that is not at all relevant. how many non whites were playing 20 years ago and have now retired? it is those that would be going into management and the figure is probably closer to 5%.

    i genuinely don't believe anybody cares about what colour their manager is. Gullit, Tigana, Hughton and Ince have all had a crack at the top flight - not one of them was really a success. that doesn't mean black managers are crap, it just means those men are crap. the sooner people stop holding up the likes of Hughton and co as the poster child of black managers the sonner this doesn't even become an issue.

    Ince's regular claims of racism doesn't exactly help matters either.

    i am not sure what specnur is on about above talking about how 'long' it took for Hughton to be given a new job. he was back in work within 6 months. that is as good as anybody can hope for surely?

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    I think it's blatent racism.

    But who is to blame? The club owners!!! And they are dotted around the world, and are hardly aware of the existance of the FA, or, even the Premier League. Phone the club owners and tell them off!

    Oh, by the way Steely Hill, you shouldn't have to go back 20 years. 10 years is enough, and there were LOADS LOADS AND LOADS of black players then. And even 20 years ago, there were a large number of black players. A large number!!!!!

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    Totally agree with steely hill, cant say anyone cares whos doing what job as long as theyre good enough. Much ado about nothing the whole black manager thing, whipped up a bit by the press.
    In the next five to ten years im sure we will see more black managers come through, the bigger problem is giving jobs to managers who havent a clue like avram grant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickKIELCEPoland
    I think it's blatent racism.

    But who is to blame? The club owners!!! And they are dotted around the world, and are hardly aware of the existance of the FA, or, even the Premier League. Phone the club owners and tell them off!

    Oh, by the way Steely Hill, you shouldn't have to go back 20 years. 10 years is enough, and there were LOADS LOADS AND LOADS of black players then. And even 20 years ago, there were a large number of black players. A large number!!!!!
    a large number? give me your estimated percentage both 10 and 20 years ago (obviously that are now retired)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by NickKIELCEPoland
    I think it's blatent racism.

    But who is to blame? The club owners!!! And they are dotted around the world, and are hardly aware of the existance of the FA, or, even the Premier League. Phone the club owners and tell them off!

    Oh, by the way Steely Hill, you shouldn't have to go back 20 years. 10 years is enough, and there were LOADS LOADS AND LOADS of black players then. And even 20 years ago, there were a large number of black players. A large number!!!!!
    a large number? give me your estimated percentage both 10 and 20 years ago (obviously that are now retired)...
    10 years ago
    Well, the England squad that went to the 2002 World Cup had more black players than any Englans squad before or since. Some of the black players are retired, some are still playing, just like with the white players.

    Percentage estimate: 20%

    20 years ago,
    (1991) there had just been a 5 year-long transformation of English football. In the 1985 FA Cup Final there was only one black player (he has half-black half-white, but you have decided to class them as black, with Hughton and Gullit). Yet in 1991, players like Michael Thomas, Ian Wright, John Barnes and Paul Ince were hardly noticed as being black).

    Percentage estimate: 10%

    However, whether it's racism or not, the club owners in their Arab or American mansions aren't going to let anyone tell them what to do, including the Premier League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickKIELCEPoland
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by NickKIELCEPoland
    I think it's blatent racism.

    But who is to blame? The club owners!!! And they are dotted around the world, and are hardly aware of the existance of the FA, or, even the Premier League. Phone the club owners and tell them off!

    Oh, by the way Steely Hill, you shouldn't have to go back 20 years. 10 years is enough, and there were LOADS LOADS AND LOADS of black players then. And even 20 years ago, there were a large number of black players. A large number!!!!!
    a large number? give me your estimated percentage both 10 and 20 years ago (obviously that are now retired)...
    10 years ago
    Well, the England squad that went to the 2002 World Cup had more black players than any Englans squad before or since. Some of the black players are retired, some are still playing, just like with the white players.

    Percentage estimate: 20%

    20 years ago,
    (1991) there had just been a 5 year-long transformation of English football. In the 1985 FA Cup Final there was only one black player (he has half-black half-white, but you have decided to class them as black, with Hughton and Gullit). Yet in 1991, players like Michael Thomas, Ian Wright, John Barnes and Paul Ince were hardly noticed as being black).

    Percentage estimate: 10%

    However, whether it's racism or not, the club owners in their Arab or American mansions aren't going to let anyone tell them what to do, including the Premier League.
    this is my point.

    so, using your figures, there were 90% of players that were white in 1991. what percentage of those actually went into management? perhaps 1% maximum

    when you have such a low starting point of black players it is clear why there is such a low number of black managers. a very tiny percentage of players actually bother going into management and when the pool of black players retiring is already low the subsequent amount of black managers is even lower, which is simple common sense.

    there is nothing which suggests there is a lower proportion of black players that have gone into management than white players. and that, my friend, is absolutely crucial to the discussion.

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