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    And another peice from a fans perspective.

    It’s the manner of repeated Arsenal capitulations that hurts most
    22nd February 2017 – by Myles Palmer
    From Martin :

    Afternoon Myles,

    I came into Arsenal in 1972 with my Grandfather and Father but by time I really understood football the 71 team had been broken up and my diet was pretty average Arsenal teams in a sometimes half-empty Highbury as we even teased relegation one season.

    But we went to every game regardless.

    The utopia for me at that time was ’78 when we reached a Cup Final, beyond my expectations, never thought I would see it, with the bitter taste of that day soon removed by the ’79 win which to this day is in my top three games that went to see given my age, expectation and way game was won.

    Average to half-decent sides as the Eighties closed out with a cup the height of expectation, my Arsenal never being good enough to win titles, but they did in ’89, St.Michael’s day in that top 3 also, and more convincingly in ’92.

    Unfortunately, my Dad never made the early Wenger years or got to witness Dennis Bergkamp, but it was a whole new level of football, culminating in that 2004 team.

    Wenger built that and raised the expectation and encouraged it when stadium was built, we would challenge now every year, not always win but genuinely challenge as our footing was now equal to all those around.

    So do I sound like a fan as I narrate my own Arsenal history?

    I should because through thick and very thin I supported the club with no agenda.

    There are 1000’s like me, same upbringing, history who are saying the same things at this time, that time for change is needed yet get accused of being spoiled blah blah.

    Over last 6 years every one one of us would have been more than happy to have Wenger and players turn it around, to become this team that fights for everything and maybe not coming out victorious, but it’s not about the winning, it’s the fighting, the competing, even those poor 70’s side you never doubted players’ characters and commitment, skill? Yes! But not their heart and passion.

    So there is no agenda from me and many like me, we want to see the club and players compete and care like we do, and yet each year we see the same surrender and it’s tiring and disheartening ‘hoping’ Wenger and team turn it around, we have wanted it to happen and it just never does, so it’s not a knee- jerk reaction of spoiled fans, it’s the considered reaction from intelligent fans who know the game as much as anyone and truly understand what they are seeing.

    Most of us have played the game, we know the psychology of football, the players who hide when the pressure is on.

    Do not think Wenger does not care, sure he does, but for many seasons it’s been proven he cannot motivate his players to genuinely challenge to the major prizes, weak performances at key times are normal

    Some have an agenda, some just to be proven right. But he vast majority of Arsenal fans have no agenda and would have been very happy to be silenced but there is a tipping point for everyone even the most ardent fan.

    Wenger commented the new manager would lose too.This annoyed me as shows he does not understand the criticism,.

    Losing is part of football, there will be no guarantee of success in uber-competitive competitions, it’s the manner of key defeats, capitulations even at key times and repetitive nature of them each year.

    Some players dig in and fight and show backbone and an embarrassing mauling might end up 3-1.

    Not 5-1.

    Rocastle, Wright and Adams were not just adored by Arsenal fans for talent, it was their heart and passion. Even on bad days fans would be unwavering in supporting them.

    So when press and some ex-players make lazy comments about spoiled Arsenal fans blah blah they need to understand it’s not agenda-driven, it’s all about what’s best for the club and always will be.
    Arsene Wenger the "specialist in failure".

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    Yep, thoughtful blogs those Pokers, away from the rants on Arsenal Fan TV these fans put a reasoned and rational case for change. It is fascinating for me as 'the enemy' to see whether the Arsenal board stick or twist in May. Wenger may yet survive, an FA cup home tie to Lincoln is guaranteed semi final, and pretty much anything can happen from then onwards, we all know that. Another FA cup win will definitely cement a new contract for him IMO, and so the saga goes on! It is possible his final exit will be inside a wooden box!
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    Bravo this Arsenal fan.

    Itís the manner of repeated Arsenal capitulations that hurts most.

    22nd February 2017 Ė by Myles Palmer
    From Martin :


    Afternoon Myles,

    I came into Arsenal in 1972 with my Grandfather and Father but by time I really understood football the 71 team had been broken up and my diet was pretty average Arsenal teams in a sometimes half-empty Highbury as we even teased relegation one season.

    But we went to every game regardless.

    The utopia for me at that time was í78 when we reached a Cup Final, beyond my expectations, never thought I would see it, with the bitter taste of that day soon removed by the í79 win which to this day is in my top three games that went to see given my age, expectation and way game was won.

    Average to half-decent sides as the Eighties closed out with a cup the height of expectation, my Arsenal never being good enough to win titles, but they did in í89, St.Michaelís day in that top 3 also, and more convincingly in í92.

    Unfortunately, my Dad never made the early Wenger years or got to witness Dennis Bergkamp, but it was a whole new level of football, culminating in that 2004 team.

    Wenger built that and raised the expectation and encouraged it when stadium was built, we would challenge now every year, not always win but genuinely challenge as our footing was now equal to all those around.

    So do I sound like a fan as I narrate my own Arsenal history?

    I should because through thick and very thin I supported the club with no agenda.

    There are 1000ís like me, same upbringing, history who are saying the same things at this time, that time for change is needed yet get accused of being spoiled blah blah.

    Over last 6 years every one one of us would have been more than happy to have Wenger and players turn it around, to become this team that fights for everything and maybe not coming out victorious, but itís not about the winning, itís the fighting, the competing, even those poor 70ís side you never doubted playersí characters and commitment, skill? Yes! But not their heart and passion.

    So there is no agenda from me and many like me, we want to see the club and players compete and care like we do, and yet each year we see the same surrender and itís tiring and disheartening Ďhopingí Wenger and team turn it around, we have wanted it to happen and it just never does, so itís not a knee- jerk reaction of spoiled fans, itís the considered reaction from intelligent fans who know the game as much as anyone and truly understand what they are seeing.

    Most of us have played the game, we know the psychology of football, the players who hide when the pressure is on.

    Do not think Wenger does not care, sure he does, but for many seasons itís been proven he cannot motivate his players to genuinely challenge to the major prizes, weak performances at key times are normal

    Some have an agenda, some just to be proven right. But he vast majority of Arsenal fans have no agenda and would have been very happy to be silenced but there is a tipping point for everyone even the most ardent fan.

    Wenger commented the new manager would lose too.This annoyed me as shows he does not understand the criticism,.

    Losing is part of football, there will be no guarantee of success in uber-competitive competitions, itís the manner of key defeats, capitulations even at key times and repetitive nature of them each year.

    Some players dig in and fight and show backbone and an embarrassing mauling might end up 3-1.

    Not 5-1.

    Rocastle, Wright and Adams were not just adored by Arsenal fans for talent, it was their heart and passion. Even on bad days fans would be unwavering in supporting them.

    So when press and some ex-players make lazy comments about spoiled Arsenal fans blah blah they need to understand itís not agenda-driven, itís all about whatís best for the club and always will be.
    Arsene Wenger the "specialist in failure".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickleman1967 View Post
    Yep, thoughtful blogs those Pokers, away from the rants on Arsenal Fan TV these fans put a reasoned and rational case for change. It is fascinating for me as 'the enemy' to see whether the Arsenal board stick or twist in May. Wenger may yet survive, an FA cup home tie to Lincoln is guaranteed semi final, and pretty much anything can happen from then onwards, we all know that. Another FA cup win will definitely cement a new contract for him IMO, and so the saga goes on! It is possible his final exit will be inside a wooden box!
    Whatever it takes!
    Arsene Wenger the "specialist in failure".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickleman1967 View Post
    Yep, thoughtful blogs those Pokers, away from the rants on Arsenal Fan TV these fans put a reasoned and rational case for change. It is fascinating for me as 'the enemy' to see whether the Arsenal board stick or twist in May. Wenger may yet survive, an FA cup home tie to Lincoln is guaranteed semi final, and pretty much anything can happen from then onwards, we all know that. Another FA cup win will definitely cement a new contract for him IMO, and so the saga goes on! It is possible his final exit will be inside a wooden box!
    You want Wenger to stay at Arsenal as much as Arsenal wanted Drogba to stay at Chelsea , You have never finished above us since he's been at that club .
    Him leaving would immediately catapult you lot at least one place higher in the league each season.
    I would Wenger to leave just watch it all unfold and i'm not even kidding!

    Listening to this Half witted Arsenal fans is hilarious to be fair or at flats it was about two years ago ,now it's just boring like rinsed out soap opera!
    The very reason i never called myself an Arsenal fan is because of this ,once that man leaves and they are regularly outside of the top four you'll see a half filled stadium. And we know where it gets for there, if anyone thinks the path set by Villa and Sheffield Wednesday both successful teams in less competitive era's plummet down the league ,you are mistaken. Chances are slim ,but we saw Chelsea down there with all the money they spent ,and it was that money they spent that helped them get back to the top .Arsenal however do not have that personnel .The fight back up the table will take the shape of a Liverpool at best and i really don't know if Arsenal have gained the fan base the merseyside club have, with their vaunted history, to stick around .

    Tell you what it will make for entertaining times for me that's for sure ,i'm going to love every minute .
    The only thing i won't enjoy is hearing every pundit who slated Wenger and started this crusade against the manager with their bias opinion ,say that Arsenal should have stuck with him after all he had achieved for the club. Two faced bastards the lot of them ,but them gullible Arsenal fans fall for it every time and will continue to do so.

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