Reply With QuoteThis is a map showing the parts of the world that IS have plans to rule.
With a 2nd American hostage having just had his head cut of by the Islamic state isnt it time that the west took action against them?
Why are President Barack Obama and UK PM David Cameron dithering on what to do?
We are facing our biggest threat since Nazi Germany and the 2 most important leaders in the world dont have any sort of plan of action FFS!
If people dont think that what is happening in the Middle East wont effect them they are not living in the real world as the threat is growing on a daily basis.
We also need to bring Assad of Syria on board even though he brutally ordered his armed forces to kill protesters at the start of his own civil war.
This is a map showing the parts of the world that IS have plans to rule.
There have been 2 murders and you're ready to go to war Hams, what about the thousands of innocent lives we have dubbed collateral damage in Iraq?Originally Posted by Hams
What makes you so confident that the threat to us is "growing on a daily basis"? If anything, we should have learnt that only through military involvement do we increase the threat to our lives. This kind of sensationalism is incredibly dangerous and not helpful to the situation at all. The reason they made these videos and specifically chose an English-speaking killer was so as to draw us into the conflict.We are facing our biggest threat since Nazi Germany and the 2 most important leaders in the world dont have any sort of plan of action FFS!
If people dont think that what is happening in the Middle East wont effect them they are not living in the real world as the threat is growing on a daily basis.
We also need to bring Assad of Syria on board even though he brutally ordered his armed forces to kill protesters at the start of his own civil war.
Two Americans have been murdered in horrific conditions and as saddening as that is, their deaths are not any more significant than those caused by Assad and his regime, getting into bed with him is a frightening thought. And as I mentioned in another thread, why are we not similarly outraged by the beheadings committed by our Saudi Arabian allies last month?
That map you posted was sourced from twitter by ABC News and is absolute scare-mongering b*llocks.
Nobody thinks that, but what some do think is that it would be far easier for the western world to stop Israel than it would be ISIS.But, of course, the Jewish State is the real problem in that region.
I agree with Stan that going in with excessive military force, causing civilian casualties, is not the way forward. History tells us time and again if one country invades another and kills her sons and daughters they are stirring up bitter hatred and almost certain retribution at a later date. We never learn from this simple lesson though, and I suspect we never will. We (I'm including our American allies as 'we') have bombed the hell out of Iraq, and had troops on the ground in Afghanistan for many years now. Guess what? The problem hasn't gone away despite all the killing we've done, the Islamist extremists just seem to get madder for some reason.
We have to respond, however, because religion is a very powerful weapon if you want to persuade young men to go to war. Islam is a threat to world 'peace' (I use that term very loosely) and we cannot stick our heads in the sand and hope it goes away. The vast majority of Muslims just want to get on with their lives, without killing 'infidels' or anyone else for that matter. You have to filter out the screeching media fear mongering and get things in perspective.The response has to be targetted at the extreme elements who carry out the acts of terrorism. The Americans showed they could do that when got Bin Laden in Pakistan. Keep chopping the head off and sooner or later the body is going to weaken and die.
He's magic you kno-oow, Mauricio Poch-ett-ino!
The Saudi Arabian beheadings fail your first hurdle too. As I've said in another thread though I still disagree completely, it should be expected that you treat your own citizens well, how you treat less powerful nations is more telling to me.it's that three step checklist i mentioned before.
1. look after your own
2. look after others in your land
3. look after others in their land
these beheadings fail at the first hurdle and so become a priority as they're relevant to our own citizens (both the perps and the victims).
1st of all I find this comparison between Israel and ISIS very offensive to say the least.Nobody thinks that, but what some do think is that it would be far easier for the western world to stop Israel than it would be ISIS.But, of course, the Jewish State is the real problem in that region.
2nd by what you are saying the western world should start with the easier problem. By this logic if a patient comes to the doctor suffering from a cold and a gunshot wound to the chest the doctor should first attend to the cold. I hope you're not a doctor
That's not a fair comparison because both of those can be attended to. To continue your bizarre metaphor if a patient comes to the doctor with an incurable disease and a cold then yes the cold should be treated.1st of all I find this comparison between Israel and ISIS very offensive to say the least.Nobody thinks that, but what some do think is that it would be far easier for the western world to stop Israel than it would be ISIS.But, of course, the Jewish State is the real problem in that region.
2nd by what you are saying the western world should start with the easier problem. By this logic if a patient comes to the doctor suffering from a cold and a gunshot wound to the chest the doctor should first attend to the cold. I hope you're not a doctor
Sorry Stan but i disagree.That map you posted was sourced from twitter by ABC News and is absolute scare-mongering b*llocks.
The map i posted might have been sourced by ABC news from Twitter but it is one that has been produced by ISIS
so they can show us where in the future their Islamic Caliphate will be located and if we dont act now this will become a reality one day.
Spain is included because they were once ruled by the Moors of North Africa who were Muslim which is bad news if you have a holiday home there.
If you are willing to accept ISIS and say there's nothing we can do about it (like the incurable disease) in my eyes you lose the right to critisize anyone.
Throwing in the towel and trying to find easier jobs is not an option when you are fighting these people.
The radical Islam's goal is to retake "Dar el-Islam" (House of Islam) which includes Spain and eastern Europe and after that try and expand into "Dar el-Harb" (House of war) in order to make it part of Dar el-Islam. The end goal is an entire world worshiping Allah. It is said publicly and openly yet most of the west is sure nothing will happen because we are stronger. Are you seriously thinking of waiting till they reach you? Isn't it smarter to get rid of an infestation before it takes the whole house?
Hams tell me what makes you so sure that it has been produced by ISIS and not some right-wing lackey.
If you had read any of my posts on this matter you would have seen that I believe in diplomatic solutions and humanitarian aid. I do not believe going back into Iraq will resolve the issue nor do I think that is my government's intentions.If you are willing to accept ISIS and say there's nothing we can do about it (like the incurable disease) in my eyes you lose the right to critisize anyone.
Throwing in the towel and trying to find easier jobs is not an option when you are fighting these people.
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