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    2016 US Presidential Election



    "No man who ever held the office of President would congratulate a friend on obtaining it."

    So said John Adams whose son also became US president. since then, there has of course been the Bush father/son combo and we're now in a bizarre situation where you have the son and brother of two former presidents could be up against the wife of another former president.

    in a further twist, this would be the second time a Bush has faced a Clinton in the presidential election.

    i googled this inbred mentality of US politics and found the following, which i presume to be verifiably accurate:

    George W. Bush (the 43rd president) is the son of George Bush (the 41st president).

    John Quincy Adams (the 6th president) was the son of John Adams (the 2nd president).

    Benjamin Harrison (the 23rd president) was the grandson of William Henry Harrison (the 9th president).

    James Madison (the 4th president) and Zachary Taylor (the 12th president) were second cousins.

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt (the 32nd president) was a fifth cousin of Theodore Roosevelt (the 26th president). Genealogists have determined that FDR was distantly related to a total of 11 U.S. presidents, 5 by blood and 6 by marriage: John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Ulysses Grant, William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison, James Madison, Theodore Roosevelt, William Taft, Zachary Taylor, Martin Van Buren, and George Washington.
    wtf is going on in US politics whereby the same names keep popping up time and time again?

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Certainly helps to have a dynastic last name, and I'm sure if the Kennedy's lived past their 40's we'd see a few more of them in the thick of things.

    The Republican race is a circus at the moment, with no real clear favorite for the nomination.

    Clinton is a clear favorite in a 3-person field for the Democrats. She probably has the best chance to win the whole thing.

    While Hilary is okay, though not incredible by any standards, she is probably the best chance for the democrats to keep the White House.

    If I were picking, I'd love for her challenger Bernie Sanders to win it. I also wanted Elizabeth Warren to run, but she's chosen not to. Both of them are a bit maverick in how they deal with things, not accepting any large corporate donations to their campaigns, rather, relying on actual people and supporters making small donations and spreading word of mouth. Tough to take on a big political machine like Hilary or any of the Republicans, but Sanders is about as straight a shooter of a politician as you're gonna get, and wants to hold banks accountable and invoke more transparency.

    Low funding + taking a stance against corruption and lobbyists. A perfect recipe to NOT win an election

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by mrtz
    If I were picking, I'd love for her challenger Bernie Sanders to win it.
    i confess to knowing absolutely nothing about any of these people. however i just googled the Colonel and i found out that he is 73 ffs

    will he even be able to see out the maximum two terms?

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by mrtz
    If I were picking, I'd love for her challenger Bernie Sanders to win it.
    i confess to knowing absolutely nothing about any of these people. however i just googled the Colonel and i found out that he is 73 ffs

    will he even be able to see out the maximum two terms?
    Yes, he's an old man, but that's why I'd like Elizabeth Warren to be his running mate in the unlikely even he wins the nomination. They think very similarly and won't take a lot of the crap that goes on in the legislative level.

    They are already being branded as "socialists" to scare off the public, but in a gist, their platform is to have a system that is similar to the Scandanavian nations.

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by mrtz
    their platform is to have a system that is similar to the Scandanavian nations.
    what, tax the sh*t out of the natives?

    can't see that going down well

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by mrtz
    their platform is to have a system that is similar to the Scandanavian nations.
    what, tax the sh*t out of the natives?

    can't see that going down well
    Pretty much. Well, particularly with the billionaires and corporations. So... you can imagine that the ones on top are THRILLED that his platform is gaining some steam.

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    I see that the Pope's recent comments on climate change has set him on a collision course with Jeb Bush. Pope Francis said that politicians should do something to battle climate change which has angered the climate change deniers in the Republican party. This raises 2 interesting points, firstly it puts the Catholic Church to the left of the debate and it puts the Republican party in the unusual position of criticising the church for getting involved in politics. When you consider how much importance some of the big names on the right put on religious teachings - particularly the Tea Party, Jeb Bush starts to looks almost revolutionary! .

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Jeb is probably the most center (right of center) in the republican field at the moment since Giuliani chose not to run.

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus
    I see that the Pope's recent comments on climate change has set him on a collision course with Jeb Bush. Pope Francis said that politicians should do something to battle climate change which has angered the climate change deniers in the Republican party. This raises 2 interesting points, firstly it puts the Catholic Church to the left of the debate and it puts the Republican party in the unusual position of criticising the church for getting involved in politics. When you consider how much importance some of the big names on the right put on religious teachings - particularly the Tea Party, Jeb Bush starts to looks almost revolutionary! .
    the catholic church should never be involved in any political debate.

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    Re: Bush V Clinton - THE SECOND COMING

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus
    I see that the Pope's recent comments on climate change has set him on a collision course with Jeb Bush. Pope Francis said that politicians should do something to battle climate change which has angered the climate change deniers in the Republican party. This raises 2 interesting points, firstly it puts the Catholic Church to the left of the debate and it puts the Republican party in the unusual position of criticising the church for getting involved in politics. When you consider how much importance some of the big names on the right put on religious teachings - particularly the Tea Party, Jeb Bush starts to looks almost revolutionary! .
    the catholic church should never be involved in any political debate.
    I also think that in this election, there are only 2 Catholics in the running, so I'm not sure how significant this plays out. That said the Catholic voting block is a quite significant one candidates will have to think about. Joe Biden may get a little bit of momentum out of this, but I don't think it will be enough for the VP to get the nomination.

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