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Thread: Guardiola to leave Bayern Munich/Ancelotti out

  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post


    funny how you didn't consider such a thing at a time where he needed no excuses made for him.
    Actually I did, at the beginning of the year.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokers View Post

    This City side is an aging one, disjointed and I'd say not the best team in the league. Guardiola was never going to come in and buy 10 players and run away with the league. Of course he's going to need time and being unfairly judged because of his past success.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post
    all competitions mate.

    obviously there is no 'proof' he left because he failed in the last season but the fact is he was unseated at the top and didn't have it in him to retain his crown.

    At Bayern, he took over the European champions and failed to replicate that success.
    You can't be counting all competitions when you give a points per game ratio. They both had different champions league groups and played different teams in fa cup. You can only do that for league games and Guardiola won that head to head with an ageing team and a team who had to figure out a new playing style. Bound to be dropped points due to those things. At least he didn't go the mourinho way and bore his way through the season being compact and hard to beat but having no real playing style. Also not helping pogba look like a 90 million pound player

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post
    you said that on 15 January in the match thread after his team just got THUMPED 4-0 by Everton ffs. on what rationale is that not at a time where he needed no excuses made for him? this becomes even more apparent when, at that point in time, Man City were even BELOW Arsene's boys so no wonder you were finding reasons to excuse Guardiola.

    Guardiola inherited a team that you're saying is an ageing one, presumably referring to the defence. yet, despite this, across 2016/17, he spent 113.5n attacking players in the Summer and a further 16m on a goalkeeper who is amongst the oldest players in the squad (and also just happens to be crap).

    in terms of 'not buying ten players', that is literally the exact number of new faces Guardiola brought in over 2016/17 funnily enough.

    let's not forget, Guardiola agreed to take over during a season in which Leicester City won the league. Conte and Mourinho were not with their clubs at the time.

    Guardiola was around when Klopp almost got Dortmund relegated and when he took the Man City job Liverpool were mid table botherers under Klopp's guidance. as for Poch, well he heads up the most notorious bottlers the sport has ever known. always the bridesmaid but never the bride. I doubt Guardiola gave them and him a second thought.

    so he took the job at a time where a very poor Leicester team were storming the league. Chelsea were basically managerless and in a complete mess, Man United were only just scraping Europa League places under Van Gaal and Liverpool under Klopp were nowhere to be seen.

    the job he took was no ordinary job though. it was at the world's richest club in a division which was a mess for various reasons with the worst title race in history taking place. if he was ever going to come to this country it would be then and with that club. he hasn't the balls to do it any other way.
    Doesn't matter how you twist it mate. If you offered Arsene now the chance of 4th place over that F.A Cup win he would take 4th place each and every time. In fact, so would any manager in the entire Premier league.

    How you can even compare a manager and has cleared up every single European and World Club competition to a manager who has never won a single European trophy, despite being the longest serving manager is a joke mate. Surely.

    I think you're looking far too much into it. I don't imagine for a second that Guardiola took an opportunity to take over at City when no one else was a challenge.

    Guardiola has Barcelona contacts at Man City and its well documented that they played a huge part in getting him to join the club as manager. You over thinking that Guardiola looked at the situation of the league and thought "This is easy" is a bit weak.

    Guardiola earned the right to take over Barcelona from the B team. He then put together one of the best sides the World has ever seen. He earned the right to leave and take the Bayern Munich job. He then continued his success and earned the right to managed the richest club in England.

    Suggesting Guardiola is a bottler for taking top jobs is like suggesting Ronaldo is a bottler for joining Real Madrid instead of Malaga CF.

    I'm not sure I know of any player or manager in their prime that stepped back into a lesser team to show what they can do?

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by eaman View Post
    You can't be counting all competitions when you give a points per game ratio. They both had different champions league groups and played different teams in fa cup. You can only do that for league games and Guardiola won that head to head with an ageing team and a team who had to figure out a new playing style. Bound to be dropped points due to those things. At least he didn't go the mourinho way and bore his way through the season being compact and hard to beat but having no real playing style. Also not helping pogba look like a 90 million pound player
    Well That's that then.

    Also? Wenger had a worse away record against the top 6 teams in England than relegated Sunderland.

    I'd be interested to see "bottler Guardiola" record against the top 6 last season compared to that disgusting stat above.

  5. #85
    Not sure how you get 12 games instead of the 10 in the league against the top 6 home and away? Unless you're trying to manipulate the facts? You don't get 3 points for an F.A Cup win ffs.

    Wenger finished an abysmal 6th out of all the top 6 teams played against despite being the longest serving manager.

    Gaurdiola finished 4th with an aging team and his first season.


    D- Must try harder.

  6. #86
    Perhaps Steely should join me and other Liverpool fans. We also like alternative PL tables a lot.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post
    wait, so in our discussion about "Bottler Pep" against "Bottler Arsene" you don't think little things like cup semis and cup finals are relevant? only matches in the league against those specific opponents define whether you are a bottler or not? not even when the semi final is actually between the two men we're talking about? what strange logic.

    you are right that I got my sums a bit mixed though by attributing more points to Arsene - the perils of posting while trying to work.

    However, even if we narrow it to the specific thing you're on about - LEAGUE GAMES ONLY, against specific opponents, then is 1 point difference really telling you anything? I think you're desperately clutching at straws.

    "aging team" yet he decides to buy Nolito (29 at the time) pointlessly and a calamity goalkeeper (33 at the time), as well as players in positions he already had filled - all in attacking positions. of the fossils already in the squad, we're talking about a few players in their very early 30s, not Dino Zoff wannabes ffs Yaya Toure was probably the oldest of the lot and, when he was actually allowed back into the team, was undoubtedly a significantly positive influence. perhaps you prefer "Young Delphy"?

    he spends big money on "Young Stonesy" the most error prone defender since Titus Bramble and doesn't bother to buy a single full back despite the apparently geriatric nature of his current crop. of the full backs he did have, he decided to put them in MIDFIELD ffs

    if you are considering that Clichy, Sagna, Zabaleta and Kolarov were so past it, then you must surely consider it a failing on his part to spend all his money where he did?

    to summarise:

    we can't compare Guardiola with Conte, Pochettino or Klopp because Man City played more games.
    we can compare Guardiola with Mourinho even though Man United played more games.
    we can't compare guardiola and wenger in all comps because they played different opponents in cup competitions
    we can't compare guardiola and wenger against the exact same teams in all comps because you don't get points for winning cup finals and semis.

    you're pigeon holing this debate so deeply in favour of your man it really is cringeworthy.


    You're making it sound more complicated than what it is.

    I asked, because I was interested to know, how Gaurdiola and Wenger compared against the top 6 teams in the league.

    The reason they are called the top 6 is because they've finished between 1st and 6th place in the league.

    As I suspected, Wenger came up short against a manager who been in the league 5 minutes. In fact finished rock bottom. And more to the point Gaurdiola didn't.

    To be fair, this is all a bit of a waste of time because if Gaurdiola fails he'll be criticised, if he's succeeds, he'll be criticised. So what's really the point?

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely View Post
    all things considered, what will be deemed success and what will be deemed failure this season?
    Well, this is a loaded question. But, I expect a title win for Guardiola at this stage and a decent CL run.

  9. #89
    If he wins the PL it's a success obviously but if he does it playing like this and taking advantage of other clubs being shit as well I don't think he should be applauded for it. After the money he spent he should have them playing good football and become a team noone wants to face in the CL. They are far away from that at the moment.

  10. #90
    Hm..... gone a bit quiet in here?

    The silence is deafening.

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