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    The Big EU Referendum/Politics Thread

    Thought I would start a new thread here seeing as the date for the referendum has been set (and there are no comments from Nick here!'

    Which way will you be voting on June 23rd?. Should the UK leave the EU reclaim our borders and retain all law making powers here or do you believe that we should stick together with our European partners to tackle problems together and take advantage of the favourable trade deals.

    The details of the PMs deal after his whirlwind tour of Europe can be read here:-

    The latest polling from UK YouGov shows the Leave campaign leading by 45% to 38% with 17% undecided.

    I myself am still undecided at the moment. My natural instinct is to vote Remain but the more I am hearing about it the more I am swaying towards Leave. One of the first things you always hear from the Pro EU campaigners is that being in the EU is good for business but then again so is the Free Trade Agreement and TTIP but they are catastrophic for Democracy and Freedom - and we didn't even get a say on them!.

    One of the big problems for the Leave campaign is who will front it. So far the big names are Farage, BoJo, IDS and George Galloway!. A Good cast list for a sitcom but not very good for getting the population to vote on a referendum that will have huge implications for future generations. My guessing is that Gove would be given a lead role here as he is positioning himself to take over from David Cameron should the UK vote to Leave as his position will be called into question, I think that is also the reason why BoJo has put himself at odds with the PM.

    Well it will be a long few months and we will no doubt have to put up with Cameron and Farage shouting their mouths off in every news bulletin between now and polling day but at least it will be entertaining watching the Tories ripping themselves apart!.

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    while i agree generally with your assessment on the names of those in the Out camp, it can't be denied that they are generally charismatic and excellent pubic speakers. certainly they'll have far better persuasion powers than a gimp like Gove or any of the other drips that will likely surface,

    personaly i'm undecided simply because the case for both hasn't been properly put forward. i'm naturally erring on the side of Out simply because i don't buy the scaremongering about our trade suffering etc as our economy is very, very strong. and the US wants us in as an easy route for them through the EU and so leaving would be a big FU to them which is always nice.

    i'm a floating voter though and remain to be convinced. generally speaking, when politicians are telling you that something is good for you, it probably isn't. that this divides party lines indicates what an unclear benefit EU membership actually gives anyone. When George Galloway is agreeing with IDS and Boris you have to ask serious questions.

    that said, as much as i disagree with 99% of Galloway's thoughts, opinions and actions, i'd be keen to hear his views on this subject.

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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    I have locked Nick's old thread about leaving the EU so we can now use this one only to discuss the big referendum.

    The latest news is that Boris Johnson has joined the Brexit campaign and other more senior Tories like Theresa May should follow.

    I made up my mind to vote to leave the European Union a long time ago and think the UK can manage and prosper on its own.

    This is a once in a life time opportunity to stick 2 fingers up to Brussels who have the nerve to tell this Island nation what to do.

    I'm bit concerned that likes of Nigel farage and George Galloway could spoil things for the leave vote and hope they keep quiet.

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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    that said, as much as i disagree with 99% of Galloway's thoughts, opinions and actions, i'd be keen to hear his views on this subject.
    Strangely enough, he was very supportive of the EU when arguing against Scottish Independence 18 months ago!.

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    Yeah, I can remember the promises made about the EU/EEC in the early days, that we would become part of an economic super power and reap all the benefits something like that brings. I'm not so sure it has turned out like that, while I appreciate that the EU has generated industry and regeneration in "deprived" areas of Europe, I suspect that it hasn't brought genuine lasting prosperity to those areas. They get grants for rebuilding or improving tourism, or maybe help to attract some industry, but the traditional wealthy industrial powerhouses of Europe remain the main players, and there is no indication that is about to change. When you add the crisis with the Euro (the 'PIG' countries collapse) to the mix you begin to wonder whether it has really made much difference after all. I tend to think there may be some justification in the suspicion that it is just another layer of bureaucracy, that does some good but probably not anything that couldn't be achieved with more informal trade agreements between European countries. Unlike me, (especially if it means aligning myself with twits like Farage and Galloway) but I think we'll be fine if we leave it, it certainly won't mean a collapse of our economy overnight. Like everyone else, I'd like to hear the arguments for and against from the opposing sides, but to be honest whenever I've heard politicians talk about the pros and cons of the EU I feel none the wiser at the end of it! I say lets go for the Brexit!
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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Interesting to see the Cameron vs Johnson situation, I think Johnson is angling for Tory leadership here, Cameron has already said he won’t stand for another election, so if Johnson can lead the Brexit campaign and get a result, will look very good for him.

    An ‘in’ call from Johnson would have ended his political ambitions.

    Cameron is handling it very badly. His argument for staying in the EU isnt coherent and boils down to “we dont know what will happen”.

    Absolutely no doubt that the rushed referendum is a clear attempt to rush things which will lead the fence sitters to go with the status quo.

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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokerkings
    Cameron is handling it very badly. His argument for staying in the EU isnt coherent and boils down to “we dont know what will happen”.
    interestingly that was the entire basis of the SNPs Scottish Independence campaign as well.

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    Am i correct in believing that us being out of the EU would scupper my plans to live in Berlin ? That would suck ass if true!
    Or how about the jobs that us Brits just won't do that immigrants jump at?
    I can see pretty decent arguments for both sides and preservation of British culture is something i totally support in most areas of the argument.
    All i know is that Britain is palace where EVERYONE in EUROPE wants to live or work ,it's influence worldwide is unquestionable so something has to be done to regulate the influx because people will not regulate themselves and say "hmm looks like there are too many foreign born people here ,let me try Poland instead."

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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    For those of you undecided on how to vote in this referendum just look at the people who are suggesting we leave the EU. Can they be trusted? Are they looking after all our interests or just the interests of a small minority? Do they tell the truth? Can they be relied upon to provide facts instead of speculation? Do they spread scare stories?
    Any cause that included Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Michael Grove & George Galloway on the same platform should be enough to convince you of the merits of remaining within the European Community.

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    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Half Way House
    For those of you undecided on how to vote in this referendum just look at the people who are suggesting we leave the EU. Can they be trusted? Are they looking after all our interests or just the interests of a small minority? Do they tell the truth? Can they be relied upon to provide facts instead of speculation? Do they spread scare stories?
    Any cause that included Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Michael Grove & George Galloway on the same platform should be enough to convince you of the merits of remaining within the European Community.
    ah but the problem with that logic is that you're saying that Osborne and Cameron are more trustworthy and noble in their views that remaining within the EU is best. are you happy to go on record stating that is your belief?

    it's probably wise to ignore anybody else and draw your own conclusions based on your own personal situation, thoughts and interpretations.

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