The Big EU Referendum/Politics Thread

[Seamus]

Cameron is handling it very badly. His argument for staying in the EU isnt coherent and boils down to “we don't know what will happen”.

interestingly that was the entire basis of the SNPs Scottish Independence campaign as well.

It was more like 'We know what will happen, but we cannot prove it'

[Seamus]

Also Jeremy Corbyn and his left wing communists wish to remain in the EU plus the Lib Dems and SNP and most Unions.
why should we accept that what all they is right?.

Those 'Commies' you refer to are less enthusiastic about the EU as you might think. Just after he became Labour leader Corbyn suggested that he might campaign for leaving the EU. It is those on the right of the Labour Party that are passionate about staying in the EU, the only reason that Corbyn has gone along with this is that he did not want another massive rebellion in his party. It is much better for him to go with the vast majority and display a united Labour Party against a Tory Party at each others throats.

[Hams]

For someone completely unfamiliar with the situation, could someone give me a list or point me to a list with a series of bullets of pros and cons of staying?

Hola amigo
If we leave the EU would you mind if us guys became part of the USA?!

I found this link for you which gives some good pro's and Cons about remaining in Europe or not.

[mrtz]

Just watched Tony Blair on American TV earlier on why he supports to stay. Mainly, his justification is in order to compete with China, India, and the US (which he, strangely emphasizes the population), he says that it would be a mistake to walk away from the biggest market at your doorstep.

I don't think I'm connecting what he means... Wouldn't separating yourselves from the EU allow for more freedom to conduct your own deals with international powers without having to deal with the economic troubles of the likes of Greece? The advantage the US and China have, I think, is that we get to operate pretty autonomously and give ourselves room to grow. It's actually trade deals like the TPP and NAFTA that are costing citizens here jobs, particularly in manufacturing.

[Seamus]

If this song doesn't make everyone vote to leave then i don't know what will!

https://youtu.be/lGTGt392Gas

[Pickleman1967]

If this song doesn't make everyone vote to leave then i don't know what will!

https://youtu.be/lGTGt392Gas

Ffs...

[Half Way House]

I suspect that Cameron & Osbourne secretly want to exit the EU or at least try and emasculate our membership. They are reluctant Europeans the same way that Boris Johnson was a very keen Europhile several years ago & often praised the EU in his Spectator where he praised it for halting the rise of European Socialists & their policies. Duplicity abounds from the main protagonists, particularly from those in the Exit camp.

Just remember this when Rupert Murdoch was asked why he was so anti EU he said that when he went to Downing Street they listened to him & did what he wanted but in Brussels they just ignored him.

[Seamus]

It was more like 'We know what will happen, but we cannot prove it'

you said in the opening post "My natural instinct is to vote Remain"

i'm intrigued about why you were so adamant that Scotland should have voted to leave the UK but you're naturally inclined to vote to remain as part of the EU.

whats the thinking behind that mate?

Just like Scottish Independence I can see the economic advantages of being in the EU but I am being less and less convinced by the almost apocalyptic scenarios being described by the Remain group about the UKs future outside the EU.

[Seamus]

incidentally, has Corbyn actually pinned his colours to a mast yet?

for a 'man of convinviction' he is eerily silent on the subject from what i can see. we know Labour were anti-referendum so, presumably, he is on Cameron's side with this which might account for his silence.

The official line from Corbyn is that the deal Cameron has made was the wrong one but he still supports membership of the EU. Not a very convincing line to take but then I don't think he is very convinced of the EU in general. I Think he has learned from the past rebellions to pick his fights carefully and its best to go with the majority and back the In campaign. Best just to put on a united front to contrast from a Tory Party in civil war.

[Seamus]

so can we expect him, Blair and Cameron side by side campaigning to remain in the EU?

not a chance!. He will just sit in the background and hope the Tories implode.