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  1. #21

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus

    It was more like 'We know what will happen, but we cannot prove it'
    you said in the opening post "My natural instinct is to vote Remain"

    i'm intrigued about why you were so adamant that Scotland should have voted to leave the UK but you're naturally inclined to vote to remain as part of the EU.

    whats the thinking behind that mate?

  2. #22

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus
    If this song doesn't make everyone vote to leave then i don't know what will!

    https://youtu.be/lGTGt392Gas
    Ffs...
    He's magic you kno-oow, Mauricio Poch-ett-ino!

  3. #23

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    I suspect that Cameron & Osbourne secretly want to exit the EU or at least try and emasculate our membership. They are reluctant Europeans the same way that Boris Johnson was a very keen Europhile several years ago & often praised the EU in his Spectator where he praised it for halting the rise of European Socialists & their policies. Duplicity abounds from the main protagonists, particularly from those in the Exit camp.

    Just remember this when Rupert Murdoch was asked why he was so anti EU he said that when he went to Downing Street they listened to him & did what he wanted but in Brussels they just ignored him.

  4. #24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus

    It was more like 'We know what will happen, but we cannot prove it'
    you said in the opening post "My natural instinct is to vote Remain"

    i'm intrigued about why you were so adamant that Scotland should have voted to leave the UK but you're naturally inclined to vote to remain as part of the EU.

    whats the thinking behind that mate?
    Just like Scottish Independence I can see the economic advantages of being in the EU but I am being less and less convinced by the almost apocalyptic scenarios being described by the Remain group about the UKs future outside the EU.

  5. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus

    Just like Scottish Independence I can see the economic advantages of being in the EU but I am being less and less convinced by the almost apocalyptic scenarios being described by the Remain group about the UKs future outside the EU.
    yes it is an incredibly strange tactic that the entire basis for the 'In' campaign is an entirely aggressive attack on what 'might' happen if we leave.

    if they shared the most positive aspects of why we should remain i dare say more people would be convinced.

    i see that Hollande has joined in the scaremongering by suggesting our exit could (why are these things never definites? :lol ) see the end of our border control in Calais which he has suggested means that we could have the jungle camps plotted up in Dover.

    now i'm no export on border control but surely it becomes easier at Dover to simply send them on the first service back to France should they not have the required paperwork? if they've gone past our current checks in Calais first i presume that makes them our problem but if the only check we make is in Dover then surely we're entitled to just simply send them straight back?

    it's quite a funny tactic though to essentially threaten the UK with mass unchecked migration if we leave the EU. isn't that exactly the problem we have while we're in the EU?

  6. #26

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    incidentally, has Corbyn actually pinned his colours to a mast yet?

    for a 'man of convinviction' he is eerily silent on the subject from what i can see. we know Labour were anti-referendum so, presumably, he is on Cameron's side with this which might account for his silence.

    however the anti-referendum stance was under Miliband so i'm not 100% sure.

    i've heard Labour talk about protection of workers rights etc within the EU and its something i'd be very keen to hear more about so i'm a bit concerned on their apparent silence.

  7. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    incidentally, has Corbyn actually pinned his colours to a mast yet?

    for a 'man of convinviction' he is eerily silent on the subject from what i can see. we know Labour were anti-referendum so, presumably, he is on Cameron's side with this which might account for his silence.
    The official line from Corbyn is that the deal Cameron has made was the wrong one but he still supports membership of the EU. Not a very convincing line to take but then I don't think he is very convinced of the EU in general. I Think he has learned from the past rebellions to pick his fights carefully and its best to go with the majority and back the In campaign. Best just to put on a united front to contrast from a Tory Party in civil war.

  8. #28

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    incidentally, has Corbyn actually pinned his colours to a mast yet?

    for a 'man of convinviction' he is eerily silent on the subject from what i can see. we know Labour were anti-referendum so, presumably, he is on Cameron's side with this which might account for his silence.
    The official line from Corbyn is that the deal Cameron has made was the wrong one but he still supports membership of the EU. Not a very convincing line to take but then I don't think he is very convinced of the EU in general. I Think he has learned from the past rebellions to pick his fights carefully and its best to go with the majority and back the In campaign. Best just to put on a united front to contrast from a Tory Party in civil war.
    so can we expect him, Blair and Cameron side by side campaigning to remain in the EU?

  9. #29

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    so can we expect him, Blair and Cameron side by side campaigning to remain in the EU?

    not a chance!. He will just sit in the background and hope the Tories implode.

  10. #30

    Re: The Big EU Referendum Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus
    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill
    so can we expect him, Blair and Cameron side by side campaigning to remain in the EU?

    not a chance!. He will just sit in the background and hope the Tories implode.
    isn't that a curious thing though. he's a career campaigner and yet on something that supposedly has immense importance for future generations, and where for the first time he has a voice of power, he'd prefer to sit back and do nothing?

    that alone indiciates staying in really cant be all that beneficial.

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