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    Sam Allardyce For Sale

    Oh no.

    What's the fat faced mug done?

    "Allardyce used his position as England manager to negotiate a £400,000 deal and offered advice to businessmen on how to “get around” FA rules on player transfers, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Before he had even held his first training session as England’s new head coach, Allardyce negotiated a deal with men purporting to represent a Far East firm that was hoping to profit from the Premier League’s billion-pound transfer market.

    He agreed to travel to Singapore and Hong Kong as an ambassador and explained to the “businessmen” how they could circumvent Football Association rules which prohibit third parties “owning” players.

    Unbeknown to Allardyce, the businessmen were undercover reporters and he was being filmed as part of a 10-month Telegraph investigation that separately unearthed widespread evidence of bribery and corruption in British football.

    Over the course of two meetings, lasting four hours in total, Allardyce told the fictitious businessmen that it was “not a problem” to bypass the rules introduced by his employers in 2008.

    He said he knew of certain agents who were “doing it all the time” and added: “You can still get around it. I mean obviously the big money’s here.”

    During Allardyce’s meetings with the reporters he also:

    Criticised his predecessor Roy Hodgson, dubbing him “Woy” and saying that he “hasn’t got the personality” for public speaking;

    Said England’s players were underperforming because they had a “psychological barrier” and “can’t cope”;

    Suggested that players who were not being played for their club should not be picked for England;

    Described the FA decision to redevelop Wembley as “stupid”.

    The issue of “third party ownership” in football has been described as “slavery”. It effectively allows companies to own a stake in a footballer. The FA led the way by banning the practice in 2008 and football’s world governing body, Fifa, followed in 2015.

    Allardyce, 61, told his prospective employers it was “not a problem” to dodge the “ridiculous” rules.

    Last week the England manager followed up his initial meeting by having dinner with representatives of the fictitious firm in a Manchester restaurant, where he discussed dates when he could fly to Singapore.

    Allardyce, who is paid £3?million a year plus bonuses by the FA, now faces questions about his judgment just weeks after his first and so far only match in charge of the national side. During the meetings he also made a series of remarks about the previous performances of the England team.

    He said that Roy Hodgson was “too indecisive” during England’s crucial European Championship defeat to Iceland. He also said that Gary Neville – Hodgson’s assistant – was “the wrong influence” and should have been told to “sit down and shut up”.

    The Telegraph began investigating corruption in English football last year after receiving information that specific managers, officials and agents were giving or receiving cash payments to secure player transfers.

    Over the coming days, the Telegraph will detail a series of allegations of financial impropriety in British football which raise serious questions about the governance and influence of money within the game.

    During this summer’s transfer window, Premier League clubs spent a record £1.17?billion on player transfers, with Championship clubs adding another £214?million.

    The disclosures are likely to raise concerns at the FA about corruption in English football and whether the industry is adequately regulated. Allardyce’s comments are likely to lead to questions from his employers at the FA, who expect the England manager effectively to act as an ambassador.

    A £400,000 agreement with a football agency firm is a potential conflict of interest for an international football manager as it raises the possibility that he is “employed” by a company whose footballer clients could benefit from preferential treatment.

    Allardyce told undercover reporters that the banned practice was still possible in “all of South America, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, all of Africa” and that the Ecuadorean player Enner Valencia had been under a third party ownership agreement when he signed him for £12?million for West Ham from a Mexican club in 2014.

    The third party ownership arrangement ended on the transfer and West Ham acquired the player “whole”. Asked if it would be a problem to get involved in third party ownership. Allardyce said: “It’s not a problem.”

    Third party ownership involves an agent or an investor owning part of the financial rights to a player, meaning transfer fees are partly paid to them when a player moves clubs, rather than the buying club paying all the money to the selling club.

    During a meeting at a London hotel in August, Allardyce, who was appointed by the FA on July 22, was happy to discuss third party ownership of players with two undercover reporters posing as representatives of a Far East-based company looking to get a foothold in the lucrative world of English football.

    He attended the meeting with his agent, Mark Curtis, and his financial adviser, Shane Moloney, after being approached via the football agent Scott McGarvey, a long-time friend of Allardyce who was unaware of the undercover reporters’ involvement.

    Mr Moloney asked Allardyce: “What do you think they’re doing on the football transfers financing?… the thing they’re talking about is funding football transfers.”

    Mr Curtis interjected: “Is that third party ownership a problem though?”

    Allardyce replied: “It’s not a problem… we got Valencia in. He was third party owned when we bought him from Mexico.” Mr Moloney made it clear that the ownership arrangement ended with the transfer.

    Allardyce also gave advice on where third party ownership was still possible, despite the worldwide Fifa ban.

    Allardyce has not been immune to controversy during his career managing clubs including West Ham United, Sunderland and Bolton Wanderers.

    In 2006 he was implicated in a BBC Panorama programme which alleged that he had taken “bungs” – a claim he denied. An independent investigation by the former Metropolitan Police commissioner Lord Stevens found no evidence of irregular payments.

    The Telegraph detailed its findings in an email to the FA yesterday morning which set out 18 questions about its findings, including Allardyce’s comments in the two meetings. However, the FA declined to answer any of the questions without receiving full transcripts of the conversations.

    A spokesman replied nine hours later saying: “We have asked The Daily Telegraph to provide us with the full facts in relation to this matter.”

    The Telegraph put questions to Mr Allardyce, Mr Curtis and Mr Moloney 12 hours before going to press. All failed to respond."

    Oh dear. How can this mug stay and England manager? This has got to be worse than the Hoddle remarks.

    Surely he's gone? Or surely he deserves sacking just for being so fu*king stupid and naive...

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    How did Allardyce use hes managerial position in all this?

    What was the deal they were going to make?

    Was he telling them anything anybody could not have told. In the video he seems to be talking pretty general stuff. Surely he did not think someone would pay him for that?

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    breaking news .....Sam Allardyce has left as England manager after just one match in charge ...just 67 days he was England manager ...the shortest serving full-time England manager in history .

    [b]Sam Allardyce has left his post as England manager by mutual agreement with the Football Association after one match and 67 days in charge.

    It follows a newspaper investigation claiming he offered advice on how to "get around" rules on player transfers.

    Allardyce, 61, is also alleged to have used his role to negotiate a deal worth £400,000 to represent a Far East firm.

    An FA statement said Allardyce's conduct "was inappropriate" and Gareth Southgate will take temporary charge

    He accepts he made a significant error of judgement and has apologised," the FA said.

    "This is not a decision that was taken lightly but the FA's priority is to protect the wider interests of the game and maintain the highest standards of conduct in football[b]

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    Be ironic if the pay off from the FA was £400k.

    I'd like to know why the Telegraph went after him. I mean, they knew that if the sting worked he'd be out of a job, right?

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    @ Steely
    Personally speaking, I thought he showed a complete and utter contempt for the importance
    of the position he was given mate, lest we forget this is the same job and the same opportunity
    that some brilliant managers such as the likes of Clough would have crawled over broken glass
    for the privilege of representing his country. I'm sure the man will be pushing up the earth of his
    plot in disgust at the rapacious thirst for extra money Allardyce has shown.

    I mean we talk about Hodgson's last interview after Englands latest capitulation, but it pales in
    comparison to the arrogance that evoked this tw@t to utter the words " entrapment won"

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    well the problem is like if you saw a bag of £20 notes in a car as you were walking past it in the street is not your car but you go and smash the window and take the money ....the police have been waiting as there have been a spate of cars being broken into ...that is entrapment . Now you may get a criminal could loose your job would not have normally acted like that but you were tempted by the money the end it was not your car and what you did was criminal are a decent person really ..

    In this case it is unclear if Allardyce actually did anything wrong or criminal ...but as England manager of course everything must be above board and that is where Allardyce slipped up , the FA were in a no win situation ...keep Allardyce as England boss and they would have been accused of this and that Allardyce has gone they are still being critcised ..

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    @ Conner

    I'm from Liverpool fella, if I walk past a car with a bag full of £20 notes on the seat I know
    it will in all probability be a' face' who knows if he so desired he could leave it on the bonnet
    without the fear of some less informed blurt snatching it ! My point is, how gullible is a man
    who is prepared to talk openly to business men supposedly representatives for the far east
    without walking in with slight reservations and just in case it was a 'sting' airing on the side of
    caution. I mean he's probably well versed in shady business dealings and must have had some
    inclination that all was not as it appeared ! Another point is when people you have supposedly
    only just met raise questions pertaining to sidestepping FA rules then surely that must set the
    alarm bells ringing ,especially given the position you have just been handed. I mean why would
    these people request the presence of the then current England manager so early into his tenure ?

    One accusation you could never aim at Allardyce is that of naivety, and yet he left himself wide
    open mate, he didn't even pause when pushed for the big reveal, he glibly proffered them all the
    information he had amassed about third parties from his time as manager, he even threw names
    of agents into the hat, surely at some juncture in that interview he must have thought he was
    taking a massive risk ?

    The only explanation I can give is the whole of footballs inner circle must know what tune he
    dances to and he's apparently fine with that !

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    Re: Sam Allardyce For Sale

    Never mind Big Sam it should be Greedy Sam in the future,
    The fool was going to be paid £3 m per year to be England manger but was still sniffing around for more money FFS!
    Now he will end up disgraced and with nothing at all and with his managerial career finished.

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    Steve Bruce after being told he was linked to England after Big Sam was sacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steely Hill View Post
    as I understand it, all that was filmed about ten weeks before he was offered the England job
    I know fella, I realised a day after I posted, just didn't possess the necessary
    humility to retract it once I had vented with such hubris

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